Posts by James Jack

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

James Jack

I had been ignoring this thread, until the CO meeting with the Elders and MS's.

He said "Everyone get out your Tablets. And those who do not have look on with your neighbor(5 out of 12 don't have a device). "

He told us to go to the WT Online Library, W13 p20, paragraph 17 point (3), he paused and said: This is why all of us should try to learn to use these devices because if forced to leave our homes, we can easily carry our devices and be able to receive information from the Faithful Slave from anywhere. Then he reads:

"At that time, the life-saving direction we receive from Jehovah's Organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive( he injects, like using our Tablets), whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

The CO pauses again, and says "Brothers, SOMETHING VERY BIG IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN ON THE WORLD SCENE!

I said to myself, he we go again...

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How some Elders responded to Ray Franz DFing

by James Jack in

i gave a several talks in gadsden alabama usa during the 90's.

got to eat and chat with several elders who were in the know such as : felix parnell, willie anderson, bobby rogers, earl parnell, theotis french, and rob dibble.

all said they struggled with the decision of his dfing.

James Jack

I gave a several talks in Gadsden Alabama USA during the 90's. Got to eat and chat with several elders who were in the know such as : Felix Parnell, Willie Anderson, Bobby Rogers, Earl Parnell, Theotis French, and Rob Dibble. All said they struggled with the decision of his DFing. "Ray Franz was a great person, but you can't set your own rules, and go against the Faithful Slave! As an Elder, you must be loyal to the Organization that Jehovah is using and not question the direction that the Faithful gives."

That is the collective thinking I got from these individuals. I never gave it much thought at the time because I was totally in, very active Elder and Regular Pioneer, totally consumed with towing the company line and I didn't want to hear anything negative about the Organization. Knowing what I know now, the conversation would have gone in a different direction.

One funny note I recall is a conversation with Annabel Anderson(Willie's wife). She told me about a Congregation picnic where Ray Franz attended and another publisher introduced her inactive husband who was wearing a beard. Annabel asked Ray privately what he thought about the man's beard, and Ray said :"I like it and see nothing wrong with!".

Annabel told me,"From that point on, I knew there was something wrong with him and it would be a matter of time before Jehovah will deal with him."

I wonder what she thinks now about beards from the 2016 Sept. WT?

Felix, Earl and Willie are dead now. I still see the others from time to time. Maybe I might get a chance to ask some better questions if given the opportunity.

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The Ray Franz Saga

by snugglebunny in

jw
friends

i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

James Jack

I gave a several talks in Gadsden during the 90's. Got to eat and chat with several elders who were in the know such as : Felix Parnell, Willie Anderson, Bobby Rogers, Earl Parnell, Theotis French, Rob Dibble. All said they struggled with the decision of his DFing. "Ray Franz was a great person, but you can't set your own rules, and go against the Faithful Slave! As an Elder, you must be loyal to the Organization that Jehovah is using."

That is the collective thinking I got from these individuals. I never gave it much thought at the time because I was totally in, very active Elder and Regular Pioneer, totally consumed towing the company line and I didn't want to hear anything negative about the Organization. Knowing what I know now, the conversation would have gone in a different direction.

One funny note I recall is a conversation with Annabel Anderson(Willie's wife). She told me about a Congregation picnic where Ray Franz attended and another publisher introduced her inactive husband who was wearing a beard. Annabel asked Ray privately what he thought about the man's beard, and Ray said :"I like it and see nothing wrong with!".

Annabel said,"From that point on, I knew there was something wrong with him and it would be a matter of time before Jehovah will deal with him." I wonder what she thinks now about beards from the 2016 Sept. WT?

Felix, Earl and Willie are dead now. I still see the others from time to time. Maybe I might get a chance to ask some better questions if given the opportunity.

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No Girls Scout Cookies for you!

by independent_tre in

jw
friends

even though, i was raised in a witness home, i never remember hearing that girl scout cookies were a no-no.

and even though i've only been baptized for a few years, i don't remember any specific admonishment of these sweet treats.

but recently at work a jdub coworker made it a point to remind me that jw's do not buy or eat girl scout cookies.

James Jack

I had a girl that rode my Bus recently at a local grocery store yell out load ;"Hey Mr Jack, do you want to buy some GS cookies?". I said "NO" out loud. I felt bad about how I responded to this little girl, 5 minutes later I went to the GS table, apologized, and took out a $10 bill and gave it to the girl and said:"Give the cookies to someone in need". She smiled and gave me a hug.

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HTTPS (SSL security) Now Available

by Simon in

i've setup an ssl certificate so you can now use https to browse the site.

this creates an encrypted connection between your browser and the server which is more secure and prevents urls visited from being shown in router logs, content can't be eavesdropped etc.... there are also some performance benefits but they won't kick in until i make some more changes.. consider it experimental for now but at some point it will likely automatically redirect you to the secure version of a page.. you can try it by adding 's' to the http part of any address or just goto the home page and browse from there (some mixed content means you may not get the fully green https status in your browser just yet though).. let me know if you have any issues using the site..

James Jack

Damn, things that are simple to you are like "learning another language" for me.

Please continue to pass on tidbits like this!

I may have to read your topic several more times to truly understand what is happening every time I browse the Internet.

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Could they make not donating a disfellowshipping offence?

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

i'm wondering at how far the borg could go in begging for money?

their halls are already resembling the"money changers in the temple".

as they get sued more and more due to their pedophilic paradise their coffers will be ever more drained.

James Jack

You would loose 3/4 of the Congregation, at least in our case! We only have 5 out of 70 main contributors( I know because I'm the Accounts Servant).

An Elder asked me recently; "Why do You think our Accounts have run out of money?". I said: "Only 2 Elders out of 7 contribute each month and in the past 2 years, only 1 of our MS out of 6 has. We rarely get Cash, we don't accept Cards, so I base my answer on the Checks we receive".

Our last 2 Local Needs talks have been about donating, those that contribute, just donated more.

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My Bible Study Is Wide Awake To The TTATT

by James Jack in

i ran into my old bible study at the kingdom hall recently, he was baptized as a jw 8 years ago.

we started talking about small things and catching up about our families and then the bombshell.. "my wife and i are deeply troubled by the watchtower change of doctrine, prophecy, and their history"!

"did you know about charles russell and his failed marriage... his view of pyramids... generation mistakes... and dates... that place in california for returning prophets..."and on and on he went.. i told him i knew all about it and then show him a publication on display in the foyer (i think it is divine plan of the ages), and it had a fold out of a pyramid and a description on bible verses that showed 1914 was the year the big a was going to happen.

James Jack

WingCommander

I guess you just don't it! 35 years of Conditioning is a strong pull.

As for myself, I need a Moral Compass. I'm afraid without it, I would become a terrible mess like I was before I became a Witness. I have read many experiences on this Board where individuals where after exiting JW's, returned(Farkel for one), returned to a life of Fornication and drug abuse. That would be me. Also remember, I was truly indoctrinated, with many "Privileges" with this Organization.

But who knows, I often dream of just walking away from it all. If my wife got to this point, it would be easier.

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My Bible Study Is Wide Awake To The TTATT

by James Jack in

i ran into my old bible study at the kingdom hall recently, he was baptized as a jw 8 years ago.

we started talking about small things and catching up about our families and then the bombshell.. "my wife and i are deeply troubled by the watchtower change of doctrine, prophecy, and their history"!

"did you know about charles russell and his failed marriage... his view of pyramids... generation mistakes... and dates... that place in california for returning prophets..."and on and on he went.. i told him i knew all about it and then show him a publication on display in the foyer (i think it is divine plan of the ages), and it had a fold out of a pyramid and a description on bible verses that showed 1914 was the year the big a was going to happen.

James Jack

HappyDad

I thought the same thing and even told the COBE about it and he said, "It's our History". I said ok, I warned you!

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My Bible Study Is Wide Awake To The TTATT

by James Jack in

i ran into my old bible study at the kingdom hall recently, he was baptized as a jw 8 years ago.

we started talking about small things and catching up about our families and then the bombshell.. "my wife and i are deeply troubled by the watchtower change of doctrine, prophecy, and their history"!

"did you know about charles russell and his failed marriage... his view of pyramids... generation mistakes... and dates... that place in california for returning prophets..."and on and on he went.. i told him i knew all about it and then show him a publication on display in the foyer (i think it is divine plan of the ages), and it had a fold out of a pyramid and a description on bible verses that showed 1914 was the year the big a was going to happen.

James Jack

He wanted to meet with 2 Elders to discussed his situation, I told him I know these guys, it will not go well with you.

I said, " you got 7 children at home, they need some Spiritual guidance at this point in their life. Nobody has the complete truth that I am aware of. You and I have too much invested with this Organization, also family to throw it all away. But we are empowered with information to make sound decisions. Just lay low, enjoy life, we have each other, our families! You can call me anytime to talk."

This is all that has happened at this time. We haven't talk since then.

I will keep everyone updated.

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My Bible Study Is Wide Awake To The TTATT

by James Jack in

i ran into my old bible study at the kingdom hall recently, he was baptized as a jw 8 years ago.

we started talking about small things and catching up about our families and then the bombshell.. "my wife and i are deeply troubled by the watchtower change of doctrine, prophecy, and their history"!

"did you know about charles russell and his failed marriage... his view of pyramids... generation mistakes... and dates... that place in california for returning prophets..."and on and on he went.. i told him i knew all about it and then show him a publication on display in the foyer (i think it is divine plan of the ages), and it had a fold out of a pyramid and a description on bible verses that showed 1914 was the year the big a was going to happen.

James Jack

I ran into my old Bible Study at the Kingdom Hall recently, he was Baptized as a JW 8 years ago. We started talking about small things and catching up about our families and then the bombshell.

"My wife and I are deeply troubled by the Watchtower change of Doctrine, Prophecy, and their History"! "Did you know about Charles Russell and his failed marriage... his view of Pyramids... Generation mistakes... and Dates... that place in California for returning Prophets..."and on and on he went.

I told him I knew all about it and then show him a publication on display in the foyer (I think it is Divine Plan of the Ages), and it had a fold out of a Pyramid and a description on bible verses that showed 1914 was the year the big A was going to happen. He asked me how I deal with it. More to come...